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	<title>Comments on: Plumblines: 35 Values I Wish I Had Possessed When I Started Pastoring 10 Years Ago</title>
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		<title>By: terence</title>
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		<dc:creator>terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[agreed!!  too many &quot;affliction&quot; t-shirts and blazers going around...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed!!  too many &#8220;affliction&#8221; t-shirts and blazers going around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Terence, #28 refers to all that. IMO, too many pastors are trying to be way too cool and they end up being showy or just downright ridiculous.  My wife tells me that I should nod to fashion, but not try to call attention to myself in how I dress.

Scott, #15 means that in our multi-site strategy we are trying to create more local and more personal congregations, filled with people who know and are known, not just venues where we can gather an audience to hear me preach and watch a show. If the multi-site movement has any value in it, imo, it is in making the church &quot;smaller,&quot; more accessible, more personal, and more pastoral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Terence, #28 refers to all that. IMO, too many pastors are trying to be way too cool and they end up being showy or just downright ridiculous.  My wife tells me that I should nod to fashion, but not try to call attention to myself in how I dress.</p>
<p>Scott, #15 means that in our multi-site strategy we are trying to create more local and more personal congregations, filled with people who know and are known, not just venues where we can gather an audience to hear me preach and watch a show. If the multi-site movement has any value in it, imo, it is in making the church &#8220;smaller,&#8221; more accessible, more personal, and more pastoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does 15 mean? What does multiplying preaching points mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does 15 mean? What does multiplying preaching points mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JD, thank you for this list.  I&#039;m a new senior pastor after 16 years in student ministry and I found this list very helpful, reminding, and convicting.  Thank you for your faithfulness to Him, His church, and to those of us who are beginning the pastorate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, thank you for this list.  I&#8217;m a new senior pastor after 16 years in student ministry and I found this list very helpful, reminding, and convicting.  Thank you for your faithfulness to Him, His church, and to those of us who are beginning the pastorate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Beam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Beam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I might add one...

 * Celebrate the Lord&#039;s supper weekly, and do so with wine and bread which Christ said is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.  Both historically and Scripturally, this is one central thing Christ&#039;s Apostles taught the gathered church to do together.  The gospel is not proclaimed by word only.  &#039;For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.&#039; 

I&#039;m new to the area, and I&#039;m quickly noticing a trend.  Four times a year, or perhaps once a month in the particularly devout congregations I visit, they may turn off their $60,000 sound system for long enough to partake of little cheap juice and a crumb of cracker.  He said &#039;do *this* in remembrance of me,&#039; about one thing people, and he didn&#039;t stutter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I might add one&#8230;</p>
<p> * Celebrate the Lord&#8217;s supper weekly, and do so with wine and bread which Christ said is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.  Both historically and Scripturally, this is one central thing Christ&#8217;s Apostles taught the gathered church to do together.  The gospel is not proclaimed by word only.  &#8216;For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.&#8217; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m new to the area, and I&#8217;m quickly noticing a trend.  Four times a year, or perhaps once a month in the particularly devout congregations I visit, they may turn off their $60,000 sound system for long enough to partake of little cheap juice and a crumb of cracker.  He said &#8216;do *this* in remembrance of me,&#8217; about one thing people, and he didn&#8217;t stutter.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, it is indeed 35.  The last plumbline indicates that a pastor shouldn&#039;t give up too early.  It&#039;s easy to have the vision and state it.  But once that is done...it is NOT DONE.  The staff won&#039;t embrace it for a while, so the pastor has to keep repeating it.  

And even when the staff has embraced it, we (the &quot;dumb sheep&quot; congregation) still have a long ways to go toward internalizing it.

The pastor should not assume that once something is stated or taught, it has been internalized.  I don&#039;t know why it takes so long, but maybe it has to do with being dumb sheep, or maybe it is a recognition that the Holy Spirit has actually been working it into the pastor&#039;s life and thoughts for quite a while before he ever utters it a staff member.

Grace and glory,
yucko]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, it is indeed 35.  The last plumbline indicates that a pastor shouldn&#8217;t give up too early.  It&#8217;s easy to have the vision and state it.  But once that is done&#8230;it is NOT DONE.  The staff won&#8217;t embrace it for a while, so the pastor has to keep repeating it.  </p>
<p>And even when the staff has embraced it, we (the &#8220;dumb sheep&#8221; congregation) still have a long ways to go toward internalizing it.</p>
<p>The pastor should not assume that once something is stated or taught, it has been internalized.  I don&#8217;t know why it takes so long, but maybe it has to do with being dumb sheep, or maybe it is a recognition that the Holy Spirit has actually been working it into the pastor&#8217;s life and thoughts for quite a while before he ever utters it a staff member.</p>
<p>Grace and glory,<br />
yucko</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Ferrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Ferrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was like reading Richard Baxter; read a line, let it sink in. Read a line, let it sink in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was like reading Richard Baxter; read a line, let it sink in. Read a line, let it sink in.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Gentry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Gentry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[solid. thanks jd! gonna bookmark this in case the Lord leads me down the path of ministry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solid. thanks jd! gonna bookmark this in case the Lord leads me down the path of ministry!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing this list.  Your insights and learnings are extremely helpful.  I also wanted to say thanks for writing GOSPEL.  Read it 4 hours and loved it.  I&#039;m planning on going back and rereading it to soak it all in again.  Thanks for your ministry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this list.  Your insights and learnings are extremely helpful.  I also wanted to say thanks for writing GOSPEL.  Read it 4 hours and loved it.  I&#8217;m planning on going back and rereading it to soak it all in again.  Thanks for your ministry!</p>
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		<title>By: Thirty-six Pastoral Values From J.D. Greear &#124; mgpcpastor&#039;s blog</title>
		<link>http://www.jdgreear.com/my_weblog/2011/11/plumblines-36-values-i-wish-i-had-possessed-when-i-started-pastoring-10-years-ago.html/comment-page-1#comment-9374</link>
		<dc:creator>Thirty-six Pastoral Values From J.D. Greear &#124; mgpcpastor&#039;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] J.D. Greear provides thirty-six &#8216;plumblines&#8217;, values he&#8217;s picked up over ten years of pastoring which he wishes he&#8217;d had from the beginning. Including the now ubiquitous nod to &#8216;the city&#8217; there&#8217;s a lot of well phrased wisdom here. Yes, I know there are only thirty-five. Weird, huh? (I think 35 was meant to be 35 and 36.) People ask me what I wish I’d known when I started pastoring. Here are 36 of them. At our church we call them plumblines. Plumblines are guides to our decision-making. These are the values we pursue as we follow Jesus. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] J.D. Greear provides thirty-six &#8216;plumblines&#8217;, values he&#8217;s picked up over ten years of pastoring which he wishes he&#8217;d had from the beginning. Including the now ubiquitous nod to &#8216;the city&#8217; there&#8217;s a lot of well phrased wisdom here. Yes, I know there are only thirty-five. Weird, huh? (I think 35 was meant to be 35 and 36.) People ask me what I wish I’d known when I started pastoring. Here are 36 of them. At our church we call them plumblines. Plumblines are guides to our decision-making. These are the values we pursue as we follow Jesus. [...]</p>
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